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Re: Comments on TWC-L

Tony Halmarack (
Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:19:04 +0100

From: (Tony Halmarack)
Subject: Re: Comments on TWC-L
In-Reply-To: <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:19:04 +0100

Brian Sandle wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, chilo-amine wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Yeah, that's a good idea. I did not get a letter outlining the
> > "mission" of the list. Is it purely informational, is it activist, etc?
> > Let me know what your main goal is and I'll discuss it with you. All I
> > know is that I'm interested in the subject. I guess you just have to
> > start somewhere and let the thing grow like a living organism. Maybe a
> > good way to start is by informing people about Huxley's, Leary's, etc.
> > beliefs about the psychedelic experience, their experiences with dying,
> > and their motivation for taking hallucinogens at that crucial juncture of
> > spiritual growth.

> But what about failures that you know of,

I'd really like to give some opinions as a contribution towards providing
answers to your (questions?) but I don't get a very clear idea of what
it is you're (asking?).

As I understand it subscribers to this list are here to discuss the use of
psychedelic drugs to induce a desired perceptual state in those of the
terminally ill and dying who wish to follow this route. The term "failures"
seems a little vague, particularly in this context.

In a general sense I see examples of failure in all areas of life. Failure is
a significant feature of humanity and all other life forms, as far as I can see.
Surely you mean more specific failures than these?

So, in what way might a dying person taking psychedellic drugs to improve his/her
spirituall readiness fail?

* Fail to die? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Highly improbable.

* Fail to use psychedelics? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Quite possible.

* Fail to achieve the required effect from the psychedelics? ... Quite possible.

>perhaps want to keep quiet
> about - ones becoming less able to communicate face to face, having
> trouble learning tasks like Internet, housecleaning, etc.

Oh, I think I know what you mean! You mean people such as language students
computer users and housewives using psychedelic drugs to their detriment,
don't you?

While I think that these people might potentially benefit, or equally easily
be injured by non therapeutic use of psychedelics, this area of human activity
is not the concern of this mailing list. I am quite keen on participating
in lists discussing other subjects though, should they appeal to me.

> Or do you count all this part of `spiritual growth'? And does death end
> the suffering of having lived with the disabilities engendered?

I would think that spiritual growth is inevitable, whatever the circumstances.
I believe the purpose of this list is to help create a situation where a
specific degree of spiritual growth, coincides with a specific critical event.

Ta ta for now,

Tony Halmarack =(*)=

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